What I would recommend doing is taking a sample board with the Gunstock color already applied to a local Rockler store. Hi there – I stumbled across your site and thought maybe you might have some suggestions for our predicament. Required fields are marked *. So there are so many ways you can take this. Three coats then a sealer. I am refinishing a antique wagon wheel bed era 1940-1950’s. We will also have to protect it from all the wiping and spilling that happens on restaurant counters, but we still want it to have that natural weathered gray look. Sugar maple wood—often known as "hard maple"—is the wood of choice for bowling pins, bowling alley lanes, pool cue shafts, and butcher's blocks. What I would recommend though is getting a few scrap pieces of maple and testing out your finishing method first. I just saw some of your videos on youtube and I really enjoyed it. You just might be sealing the surface a bit too much, so you aren’t getting the color change you should be. I agree with the sage advice that you gave Darin. What can we do? Hello! I might try a slightly different order. thanks. actually, i went ahead and put an even layer of mahogany danish oil and left the piece over night, and did that for 3 nights and it has reached the desired goal. But I don’t want them really dark – I wanted a medium tone. I highly recommend you get some practice boards and get used to the process of applying the finish. I was doing some random surfing when I came across this discussion about staining maple. I am going to pick up some general finishes java tomorrow (and some schellac) and try that. Choose the floor color that fits the rest of the room's decor and the style that you prefer for the space. How were the cabinets prepped and exactly what stain was used? Just be aware that the really good stuff is incredibly caustic and a little scary to work with. Thanks in advance. Now we really need to fix it. We are having a birds eye maple piece built and would like it to be a grey color whether dye or stain. For example, if you take a highly figured piece of curly maple and stain it black with the appropriate dye(note: alcohol, water based, stains and leather dyes, yes, leather dyes) then evenly sand it out, it will take on the appearance of a zebra. I want the end product to be a light gray color. You will find that the water-soluble dye opened up the pores, colored the wood, and made it more receptive to the second stain, which evened out the color. On the door it helped the white comes through looking almost like thin crayon drawings. Should I then use a GF water-based or oil-based gel stain? Hopefully that helps. The blotches are significant enough to ruin the entire look. Yeah, I know, a highly figured piece of figured maple is hard to come by, but be selective when choosing wood for your project. I always appreciate when someone who is in the wood working business is not too pretentious to admit they unsure of something and to ask for help. Any suggestions ? Let us know how it works out for you. Do you think I made a major error in this mix of wood? If I decide to switch to gel stain and use the bullseye method in your video, is it possible to spray a base coat 90% lacquer thinner, 10% lacquer, plus the color additive using a cherry color, can I adjust the color with the gel stain and get somewhat even results from the plywood to the soft maple? When refinishing old floors, getting the finish off would be the easy part. That levels the playing field, so to speak, and makes sure I have no issues with color of top-coat adhesion. But you might try the Prarie Wheat color as that seems to have a little more orange in it. I appreciate all your suggestions. From what I have been reading on this website, I think the solution to staining my birch/ poplar cabinet in a dark walnut color is to spray a fast drying dye on it. I learned some stuffs on your videos and got ideas, but it’s my first time doing this so I just want more advice. for what I know there are also some kind of water,oil,wax based for polyurethane? If I stain the cabinet first and then fill with a putty stained to match, will the putty “stick” since the wipe on product has polyurethane in it? I am in the process of remodeling a bathroom. What is the difference between the wood conditioner and shellac? Recommendations: Hard Maple provides a smooth and clear surface for finishing of any kind. Then over top of that we installed beautiful white maple butcherblock countertops. Thanks for the feedback.The headboard is large and has been pieced together with small headless nails and dowels. lol. However in between sanding and vacuuming dust we have sample pieces that were cut out to make runs for duct work. These are not easy calculations so most folks either estimate or use a chart or calculator. Thank you, Hi Julia. I am extremely happy with my results, and here’s how I did it. I do samples but you can never know exactly how absorbant all areas will be, so I start with a thinned coat to see where I might have a problem, then add coats or go directly to gel stain depending on how dark I am forced to go. In Darin’s case, from the “orange” tone he describes, maybe a slight amount of blue-green, green, or yellow-green tint in the shellac sanding sealer would produce the brown color he wants in the finished (pun intended) product. However if you’re doing an outdoors project these products are not ideal due to their weakness to UV rays which will result in fading of the colors. Just apply it like your cleaning a wood with mineral spirits. Thanks again for the reply. Flood it on the surface and wipe off the excess for a nice even color. What should I do to prepare to get the tone I want to achieve? The cabinets are beautiful, but the Or are we stuck with greenish-yellow maple for good? (not my choice, the client’s) if i’d known that is what they had wanted, i certainly wouldn’t have used maple. Oh and keep in mind you might just be able to use a water-based dye to the same end. While choosing a matching wood floor for your light maple cabinets may seem like an obvious choice, you can also opt to give your kitchen added dimension by mixing wood tones. I have never stained maple before and am a bit confused on exactly what steps to follow. Some time in the 80’s or 90’s, they were stained a beautiful, milky white with slight pink and blue undertones that varied from board to board but as a whole they were deeply scratched and scuffed from years of traffic. Should I request new doors. cabinets with a color lacquer finish (deep moss green). But dang it….I can’t remember the name. is that correct? Honestly Julie, I hate doing the monday morning quarterback thing on other woodworkers and finishers. As evidence of this, the background on my site is actually maple. Should I ever be compensated to write, I will make full disclosure. You can’re really pull it out and if you sand selectively, you won’t really be able to control the sanding well enough to make it look good. Check out these related posts: http://www.thewoodwhisperer.co.....-them-all/ http://www.thewoodwhisperer.co.....chy-woods/, hey all i am a novice framer and just got done doing a frame with an inlay on hardwood maple. So i have had zero luck getting anything to look remotely close to the dark stairs , columns and trim . What is meant by a “cut” of shellac? Frankly, I have no idea why an oil-based varnish would cause the surface to turn a dark color like that. I’m working my way alphabetically by botanical name, so check out the latest added wood to see where I’m at in the queue! This is do to the varying densities in the wood, some stain will penetrate deeper in the softer wood and not as much in the denser wood. Should I just give it a light sanding and then use a gel stain on top to achieve the darker desired colour? Hey Rob. I am a weekend refinisher and the last time I tried to finish maple was 40 years ago when I was in college and it was a disaster. If you dropped this project off in my shop, the first thing I’d do is run a bunch of tests in hopes of finding the best combo. We are building new maple kitchen cabinets and have applied two coats of Varathane Oil-based Premium wood stain to give them a deep cherry color. Help! Water-based isn’t the easiest stuff to work with so there will be a learning curve. It isn’t idea but they are very similar looking woods. Apply your next color. What is your thought on applying a coat or even two of brown mahogany over the Java? I would look into the General Finishes line. What I would recommend is using shellac as your sealer, instead of a commercial “conditioner”. Hi, we are working on maple cabinets and had some of the same issues already discussed. Currently doing glue up on a maple bed frame. On three different occasions, the cabinet company removed the cabinets to refinish those that were peeling. So in many cases, steaming the dent is the best way to go. Preparing the maple for stain is easy, finish sand down to 400 grit going with the grain of the wood as you sand. Any solid wood product can be sanded down and re-finished. The stain has to be uniformly mixed. What are your reccommended materials for a door that will be in high humidity like a bathroom? Old Masters dark walnut gel stain to be exact: http://www.amazon.com/Old-Mast.....B000I1AP1K From what I’ve read, gel stain sort of paints on top of the wood, and doesn’t penetrate it as much. But I am not the cabinet guy so I cant tell you exactly for sure all the steps taken during preperation.sorry. I had to go through some glue and self leveling compound, which is why I started so low. Our contractor has stained them and clear coated them (once). The drawback is that it has taken me a while to learn to blend the base coat and knowing how colors layer was quite a learning curve. Hey Ed. The gel stain however, went on much more evenly, and I found it to be very forgiving. Thanks for the reply! (A late “Congrats” on the kid by the way, they really change things, huh? I am refinishing a maple table and chairs – it has the old “orange” wood tone to it and would like to get it back to that – but of course cleaner than it was. You can still apply an additional finish to your stained maple cabinets to achieve a different aesthetic. Similar to our Soft Maple, Hard Maple is a fine textured and close grained wood that does not require filling. Im experimenting with Duraseal products. So that room we started first after three continuous days of sanding we still have some lines so we will sand some more. I found that when I tried test strips using conventional stain, some spots on my board would soak it up like crazy, and other spots looked almost unstained. They want dark reddish brown. You might even contact a local Sherwin Williams to find out what they currently have in stock. :). ), and I’ve had problems. But if you have HVLP it can be done. Something that dries quickly, doesn’t absorb too deep, and potentially obscures the grain a bit. But if you want to enjoy the wood grain, you need to resolve those scratches. Hey Kevin. I did do test strips with both popped and not-popped and the difference was dramatic. The grayer areas are not so easy. This will raise the grain for a smoother finish. I’ve tried several brands of putty, tried tinting the putty first, tried a mahagony color filler as well as a natural color, all to no avail, they just come out very brown, almost black. Light flooring gives a monochromatic look. Sounds like maybe he used too heavy a cut of shellac in his sanding sealer. But you will want to make sure you use something for the blotch issue. I have a maple staircase I started sanding with 80 grit orbiter sander. That way you don’t have to buy a bunch of cans of stain you’ll never use. Once the floor is coated, lightly sand with 180-220 grit paper. And even it it doesn’t fill it completely, I personally think a natural-looking dent is better than a perfectly flat filled surface. I’m so happy to have found this website with down to earth advice and am looking forward to having some direction. Almost too many to simply give you a recipe to follow. Secondly, like others I have noticed, maple is a pretty non absorbent wood, it will not hold the color when I “remove the excess”. The stains sold at home improvement centers are generally named for the types … Others prefer the ambering effect of oils. OK, A crack is sometimes easier since it goes with the grain. Yes, I use behlen dyes exclusively. Would you suggest I lay down shellac before I spray the dye to prevent bloches showing thru the dye. I have maple cabinets they were stained but was not aware that veneers were use to apply the stain and the veneers are coming loose can the veneers be re glue or can I remove the veneers and paint them instead. I chose red mahogany which will stain to a medium color because of the maple. I’ve tried transtint dark walnut dye (resulting in a dark ugly 80’s guitar look). thanks for your advice, but up here in the wilderness of Canada, we don’t have General Finishes Gel stains. After we got it home we tried it on one of the shaker style doors. Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but sanding scratches really suck. My preferred way to deal with this is to use Charles Neil’s blotch control. That is, it may take a “primer” coat of stain to serve as a base for the final”color” coat. I would like white floors (semi gloss) for a bedroom and thought I would try to get this by staining maple wood white. While I love the product and the application process has been fantastic, the color is much closer to black than I anticipated. How durable are they and what kind of finish can you use on them. The environmentally-friendly stuff is a little safer and easier to work with, but might not work as well. Applies easily with high quality synthetic brush, lint-free cloth or foam applicator. There is a split on one side that is about 1/8″ wide. The problem is trying to fill the dings and some “pullout” where the planer gouged too deeply. We just installed a brand new kitchen, custom built – cabinetry made out of something inexpensive and painted dark brown and then finished with ARM-R-SEAL, a heavy duty oil and urethane top coat. Well once again I try not to claim anything is the “best”. Watched your review on dyes and read several of your posts. As for gel stains, they work great. Hey Bill. And what should we use/have used? I am not familiar with that particular stain. I am planning on refinishing my drum kit, which are maple shells. Sounds like a potential preparation issues to me. Marc, I just discovered this thread. What type of prep do I need to do before applying the stain? Is their an easy way to remove stain from a maple floor? I am using the Polyshades stains with the varathane built in. Don’t be afraid to experiment. As for whether you should request new doors? We have an old american foursquare with wood floors we would like to refinish hidden beneath the carpet. Thanks. I have a HVLP gun to spray it. Came to your website with a wealth of information on wood stains by Googling. Thanks! Three months ago my brother installed new maple pantry doors with glas in my kitchen. There are some dings and a small crack in the top I would like to fill prior to staining. How should apply stain (brush or wipe)? Cream or beige tile is a warmer alternative if you prefer a softer option. I have read above about using shellac as a sanding sealer before using gel stain, but I was concerned about the moisture tolerance since it was a bathroom. The only way you can really hide them is to cover them up with paint. Is there anyway to fix this, short of completely sanding the table back down to bare wood? My plan was to go dark, but as I researched and read more and more on how to stain maple dark, I became dismayed: it seemed like the entire internet was telling me it was impossible to stain maple dark successfully. You don’t want to experiment on the floor. 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